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Friday, September 05, 2008

Segunda Caida Gets an Incomplete: NWA VA 2005

This show took place in Orange Va. It was right next to a skydiving club and there was a skydiving “performance” as part of the show. The space was really neat. It was essentially outdoors. Unfortunately it was hot as fuck and mosquitoes were mating in pools of sweat that fat wrestling fans were creating. Main event was Scotty Blaze v Preston Quinn in an absolutely epic fight, easily one of the best live wrestling matches I’ve ever seen. Before the show the NWA VA promoter ran a bunch of “dark matches” which he taped to be used as filler whenever needed.Unfortunately when the hackers destroyed the board we lost all of the Road Report other than the report for the pre-show stuff. We never got around to rewriting about the real show. So all we have is me taking shots at Dean’s comics and writing about the dark matches.

NWA VA

Hey we never did a workrate report for this show. I was waiting for Dean to start it off but I guess he’s to busy writing cartoons about all his lost loves. Once or twice I’ve tried to attach poignancy to my filthy stories but you add the pathos and it becomes both bullshit and pointless. You won’t see me writing cartoons about riding a train on some soccer chick while “White Nights” blared on the TV for people to watch between turns….well at least if I did I would be honest enough to have the final panel be my shit eating grin and not my saddened knowing eyes. If you can pull off the sensitive poet thing more power to you. But married guy with kids still playing the sensitive poet act….Just sad. So I’m stuck starting this thing off.

So when we first read this card, Phil sees the Midnight Mauler vs. Sugarbritches match and assumes its one of those NWA VA shows 8 hours from DC. I see that it’s in Orange and go “Fuck I’ve been to Orange…its closer than Richmond…Blaze vs. Quinn in the main lets go. So we get the car and we’re off. Pretty short uneventful drive as we pass strip mall followed by strips of churches followed by strip mall followed by strip of churches. Only thing that broke up the scenery was the sign for “BIG DADDY’S LEATHER (next right)” written in balloon animal font on the side of road. A block past the sign was Big Daddy's Leather which appeared to be an S&M supply store housed in a roadside fruit stand. There actually was a fruit stand sitting across from it and I think a kettle corn stand behind it.

We make it to the Booster Club and this is the shortest trip we’ve ever taken to a show. Booster Club is a big open air wooden portico with plenty of space for wrestling ring the barriers and the audience. We make it there on time to catch some of the pre-show TV taping which apparently started at 4. Catch the end of Big Tony vs. Chris Dramen, which I don’t remember anything about.

Rex Sterling vs. Dragon Frost

So the last match was face vs. face and this is heel vs. heel. Well maybe Rex Sterling was supposed to be face…but he has the chubby face of Silver Spoons era Jason Bateman and the crowd quickly turns on lil Eddie Haskell. If he was supposed to work face, he had the presence to work chickenshit heel with this crowd and he was really great at it. I don’t think I’ve wanted to see a snot nose kid get beat that badly outside of Nellie Olsen on Little House on the Prairie. Once he started mugging it up, he was that level of hate-able. Dragon Frost ends up de facto face as the crowd gets into counting along with his low blow based offense. I normally like Frost’s low blow offense but Sterling is young looking…If you’re going to hurt him where he loves you should be working over his hands. Sterling does a bunch of fun stalls and complaining and eats a beating well. That’s most of what he does, his two bits of offense a quick crossbody off the ropes and DDT both look really good and work as come out of nowhere offense. Sterling shouldn’t have gone over given the booking of the rest of the show.

Maxx Dynamite vs. Playboy Pete Jannings

And this is face vs. face with them working a low end veteran vs. young guy coming up thing. Pete Jannings is really useless as face tag worker as he isn’t good as face in peril and is lacking the fire of a hot tag guy cleaning house. That said this is the most I’ve enjoyed Pete Jannings in what I’ve seen of him. Singles match meant he didn’t have to eat offense for long period or show fire. Instead he just worked a basic undercard singles match and he was totally unobjectionable.

Bad News Johnson/Scotty Blaze vs. Extreme Outlaws

And you have another face vs. face match with the crowd treating Outlawz like the heels since they were working against the top face in Blaze and his partner. This was good when Blaze/Johnson were on offense. Blaze and Johnson are both really big guys who never do any Mcguire twins offense, no double splashes—none of that…just hard hitting wrestling. Johnson has some really nasty Choshu/Tenryu-ish lariats that I’ve always dug. He looks to have added the Kobashi chops in corner spot…and well everyone knows that better to study Tenryu than Kobashi. When Outlawz were on offense wasn’t pretty and there is absolutely no reason that the Outlawz should have gone over here.

And on to the real show.


Mike Vaughan vs. Rex Sterling
Dragon Frost vs. Max Dynamite (street Fight)
Kiley McLean vs. Lorelie Lee
Midnight Mauler vs. Sexxay Kavina
Xtreme Outlawz vs. Smallz and Big Tony
Chris Dramen vs. Mike Booth (alpha title submissions match )
OSE (Frank PArker/Damien Wayne) vs. Bad News Johnson/ Sean Lei (with guy in UNC colors)
Logan Knight/Pete Jannings vs. Revelations (Brandon Day/6d6 and the KROTCH)
Scotty Blaze vs. Preston Quinn


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Segunda Caida Gets an Incomplete: The Wrestling What I Watched in 2007 Pt. 6, by S.L.L.

Well, if there's one experience that I have intimate familiarity with from my brief college career, it's getting an incomplete. To add insult to injury, the first paragraph of this actually has the phrase, "an SLL promise is a promise for life", although I'm posting it now, so I guess I kinda fulfilled that promise, albeit in a half-assed way.

OK, note to self, don't wait seventy years after watching a wrestling match to review it. That goes double if those matches are lousy. Well, some of the matches on the first disc of the esteemed Goodhelmet's Best of 2007 set stink. Some are legitimately awesome. In either case, I promised I'd review them, and an SLL promise is a promise for life, whether I like it or not.

By the way, in keeping with my original plans for this series, I'm only reviewing the matches I hadn't seen yet before getting this. If you must know, Briscoes vs. Marvin/Suzuki didn't do it for me, Hardys vs. MNM and Cena vs. Umaga were obviously awesome, and I already reviewed Joe vs. Morishima earlier in this series.

Takashi Sasaki, Abdullah Kobayashi, Shadow WX, & MASADA vs. MEN'S Teioh, Jun Kasai, Jaki Numazawa, & Yuko Miyamoto
BJPW - 1/2/2007 - Tokyo, Japan
Fluorescent Light Tubes Death Match

Oh God, this was painful. And not in the good "hot damn, Onita's dragging his back along barbed wire" kind of painful you want from death matches. This was more of the "hot damn, Zandig doesn't even know what a wrestling match is, does he?" kind of painful. Well, maybe not that bad, but still. I'd say something like "you know you're in trouble when MASADA is clearly the worker of the match" but....

1. I haven't seen a MASADA match since before he was in The Carnage Crew.
2. He was actually legit good here. In the midst of guys standing around to set up needlessly complex spots, odd patches of no-selling, and Abdullah Kobayashi throwing the shittiest strikes imaginable, MASADA actually comes off as a guy you want to see more of. Comes off as the guy you would actually need to be afraid of in a death match. He gets a lot of neat spots, including grabbing Miyamoto by the legs and dragging as back around on all the broken glass, and punching the seat out of a chair before using it as a weapon. I've written elsewhere about how the Finlay/JBL match from Mania was conceptually cool because they took the late-90's/early-00's "cookie sheets and garbage can lids" style of benign, mainstream hardcore wrestling, and made it look really hard and dangerous. Getting hit with just the seat of a crappy folding chair is about the same as getting hit with a garbage can lid (and the way Miyamoto no-sells it hammers that home) but the way MASADA sets it up by just punching the seat out of the chair makes it look like he's doing some seriously bad stuff. So there's MASADA's name next to the names of Finlay and JBL, for whatever that's worth.

Anyway, the rest of the match is pretty much ass. The post match with Miyamoto getting all up in Sasaki's mug and Sasaki beating the shit out of him, but Miyamoto refusing to back off, was kinda neat. Got me interested in their match later in the set. I didn't need to sit through Abdullah Kobayashi throwing punches that would make Rob Van Dam shake his head in disgust to get there, though.

Mistico vs. Averno
CMLL - 1/5/2007 - Mexico City, Mexico

This is match #1,998,246,767 in their Best of 4,000,000,001 Series, which Mistico is winning handily. If ever seen these two wrestle each other before, this exactly like that. Averno is really good, Mistico has some nice spots but can't put a match together, and he's also got that stupid "Asai moonsault to a downed opponent who gets their feet up to block it" spot, which is basically the flashiest, most high-risk version of the "top rope axehandle to a downed opponent who gets their foot up to block it" spot ever. That is all.


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Segunda Caida Incompletes: ROH RISING ABOVE PPV

Another school year has just begun and somewhere some student has already failed to complete his assignments. Here at segundacaida we start lots of writing projects. We probably finish 30% of them. We are left with lots of half thought out rough drafts and unfinished pieces that never make it onto the blog. Has the interernet made the concept of a “rough draft” or “not fully worked out idea” obsolete? I’m not sure. But felt I might as well share some unfinished writing. Maybe some of this will get worked up into something else, maybe it won’t. In the meantime, your new segunda caida feature: “Segunda Caida Gets an Incomplete”

ROH RISING ABOVE PPV

TKG: We’ve missed a couple PPVs and time to get back on the horse. Show opens with badly lit shot of Lenny Leonard and Dave Prazack introducing the show. Seems like a mistake to open with them as the face of ROH is the wrestling and not the announcers. One of the things I like about the team of Prazack and Leonard is that you don’t notice them. They aren’t over the top screaming hype men and can be easily tuned out. In the current world of US wrestling that’s really strong selling point. The crowds are mic-ed better and you don’t even notice the announcers. The face of ROH is the wrestling and not the announcers. We get some mediocre Kevin Steen mic work and a video of lots of highspots set to music and then the show begins with Delirious v Albright.

PAS: Yeah I have no real problem with either ROH announcer, but neither guy should ever be shown on camera. Watching a ton of wrestling from the 80's lately, wrestling was at one point primarily aimed at working class families. Look in the crowd of a Mid-South or Memphis wrestling audience, you see little kids, old ladies, mill workers, cute waitresses. Now with the death of work in America, wrestling has primarily become a pastime of creepy loner guys in their 20's. It is a limited demographic to grow around, and the fact that Prazack and Lenoard look like a pair of guy who moderate Jessica Alba fan sites doesn't help ROH break out of its demographic straight jacket. Doesn't Philly have a weatherman who could use a second job?

Delirious v. Brent Albright

TKG: This is a “grudge match” and Albright is wearing a stolen delirious mask. Felt like they should have used a quick video package to recap the feud leading to the grudge match. The purpose of these PPVs is to sell DVDs. A set of still photos of key moments with names and dates of shows would work too. Better use of time then the backstage bit. Match itself was surprisingly good. Delirious was really fired up and everything he did looked sharp. With his current long beard, Delirious kind of looked like "Charlie Brown From Out Of Town". Adam Pearce is a really shitty Paul Jones but Albright is kind of fine as Teijo Khan. Brent Khan does a lousy job at eating the Shadows over Hell and his 619 knee lift was laughable but nothing else was particularly objectionable. Match also didn’t have too many false finishes. First Delirious hot near fall felt like a legit finish, second one did too, and the third one was fine as well.

PAS: Delirious is wearing his red outfit, which is supposed to signify anger. This is a kind of angle you see alot in Japaneese wrestling, and I think you need to not understand the commentary to make it work. Listening to announcers explain how these colors make him crazier then his other colors really makes the angle come off stupid. Delerious also probably needed to crazier shit to get it over. This was a fine match though, although Albright really felt kind of immobile. It took them fifteen pushes to get rid of Whitmer so I imagine we will have to sit through a bunch more Albright matches before they give up on him too.

TKG: Post match Hangman 3 come out to attack Delirious. Steen and Generico then come out for the save. Then in come Age of the Fall who are then run off by the Vulture Squad which leads to an impromptu Scramble match. So I’ve never really cared for Ultimo Dragon‘s booking. I like well booked factions, liked Gaea booking. But even when liked the matches, didn’t care for Toryumon booking or Dragon Gate/Door/Highway booking. There is no hierarchy of which faction means more than any other. Briscoes should in essence be your top team and are doing mic work challenging Age of the Fall, yet Age of the Fall are shown running scared of Vulture Squad. No hierarchy means it doesn’t really matter in the end which faction gets the pin or which one eats the pin. Having a brawl turn into a match this way just is shitty. Hey what happened to Necro Butcher, Teijo Albright, Delirious, and all the other faction members who were brawling at the beginning of the match? They just stopped brawling and went to the back? Got chairs and started watching? Who is in this match? ROH could use lucha style graphic where they put up headshots of who is on each team? All that the Hangman Three team have going for them is that they are heels—why are they constantly paired up against Age of the Fall (the other heel team). No one was in here long enough for me to care or notice anything about them. Well Ruckus was in long enough to remind me that he stinks. Is he any good on the mic? Cause Uncle Ruckus v J Train might be an entertaining feud. Still nothing really blown.


PAS: This was pretty bad, these type of matches really need someone like Dixie to hold them together. Also this match has a million people in it, why is Tyler Black eating the pin when then next show is built around him as a title contender. You needed to protected Adam Pearce or Ruckus?


Sarah Del Ray v Lacey v Daizee Haze.

TKG:Not really sure why this was announced as being a “women of honor” match and not a “Shimmer” match. “Women of honor” really sounds like some sort of creepy Virginia Dare type, David Duke reference. girl in baltimore goes missing noone cares, but when a "woman of honor " goes missing in Aruba it gets round the clock coverage. Heat killer as third match on card is weird card placement.

PAS: I think these ROH womens matches are significantly worse then most TNA womens matches and not even as good as the best of the Michelle McCool v. Layla series, if they aren't doing it better, I see no reason to do it at all.

Erick Stevens vs. Davey Richards

TKG: They actually do a nice job of setting up that the No remorse Corps broke Eric Stevens arm and this is his revenge comeback match. It doesn’t take much to set these things up. And this starts well with two exchanging stiff blows. In terms of card placement (if they hadn't run the women’s match second), a match built around power spots and stiffness might be nice thing to do right after scramble spotfest. Stevens hits a really nice sidesuplex and there are a couple nice exchanges. Kind of makes no sense to have Stevens distracted by Puder in his revenge match. “YOU BROKE MY ARM! NOW YOU MUST PAY..but wait who is this other guy? What’s he doing here?” Is Stevens more upset by the guy disrespecting his match than he was by the guy who broke his arm? Or is Stevens just working an A.D.D. easily distracted gimmick. The Puder angle really only works if he’s distracting from a meaningless match. Makes no sense as part of a match with this type of back-story.

PAS: Yeah this was pretty bad, Stevens comes off like a total chump, would have been fine to run this angle as a way for Stevens to lose some four way fray, or even to have him get his revenge and then go after Puder, but working a victim of the Youtube generation gimmick seems like a dead end.

Chris Hero v Claudio Castanoli

TKG:The last match leads to Larry Sweeney trying to come out to recruit Puder, which leads to Claudio Castanoli which leads to Chris Hero attacking to start their match. Chris Hero’s shtick absolutely doesn’t work in this context. The whole ECW ish hurried every match leads directly to next impromptu match plays against Chris Hero’s strengths. Chris Hero is a guy who does lots of stalling and BS . He needs to come out with a ring entrance. Him running out to attack Castanoli with lots of stalling and BS nonsense just doesn’t work. Hero’s nonsense works as comedy shtick which he can move in and out of. Here it just comes across as no different than Ruckus’ nonsense as “wrestling”. These are both guys who I like and who I’ve liked as a team and liked against each other. But for ex feuding teammates in a match with a big stip attached this was really paced like a TNA Explosion five minute X-division match. Like a TNA Explosion five minute X-division match three way dance. I kept on waiting for Chasyn Rance to break up the pins and get in his stuff. This was bad.

PAS: Did these guys have a good match in Chikara or PWG? It seems weird that two guys who train together and worked as a tag team for so long have such shitty matches with each other. Hero is really good at worked a heated match, but they never seemed to figure out what they wanted to do here.


TKG: Tru and Mia X’s “I’m bout it Bout It” is a really great song that gets people fired up. So is Poor Righteous Teachers “Nobody Move”. I love both those tunes but a party where they just played nothing but those two songs back to back would be a shitty party. A DJ needs music that’ll get you fired up, and then he needs to do something with you once your fired up, needs to move the crowd up and down, transition to slower songs, romantic songs that you can grind on a girl to, contemplative stuff that makes you think, then stuff that picks you back up, stuff to get more girls on the dancefloor, stuff to get more guys on the dancefloor, stuff you’ve never heard before, stuff that makes you happy because its so familiar, etc. Pacing a show requires contrast and changes in pace. If everything’s paced the same it all floats together and becomes nothing. So we’ve made this point a couple of times writing about ROH PPVs. I wrote about Driven “ Part of the format of starting show with fast 6 man spotfest is that you slowly move away from that opening speed. Second match at same speed as first means they start to run together.”. Phil wrote “One of the problems with both PPV's so far has been that all the matches are too similar, they don't break up the high impact stuff with mat based matches or comedy matches”. Instead of fixing this problem they’ve made it much worse. The ECW “every match runs in to the next impromptu match” booking makes for even fewer breaks. Where before all the matches felt like they were running together due to being paced too similarly. Now they are running together because not only are they paced similar but they are literally running together.

Bryan Danielson v Morishima

TKG: This was a boatload of fun. I really liked the reckless Cactus v Dustin early table throwing spots, Danielson's Santo level blade job and the just reckless feel of the whole thing. I don't remember Danielson being this good at brawling during the Homicide v Danielson feud. He was out of his element and occasionally felt lost. He is lost no more. Normally not a big fan of the guy does opponent’s spot and this was filled with it. But somehow that really worked in the context of revancha match...as both a taunt and a revenge spot. I also really liked the "you can't touch the ref" finish. Even in relaxed rule environment the referee is still an authority figure is really old school. ROH has done ref bump before (Daniels v Punk) but ref can't be touched and wrestlers still fired up is nice finish.

Briscoes v No Remorse Corps

TKG: So in theory the idea behind booking the Briscoes to win 2/3 falls matches in two straight falls is that when they eventually lose a fall it will be a big deal that the audience will immediately recognize. It's not a bad theory per se. It doesn't work when the Briscoes lose their fall in a listless series of roll ups. For the fall to mean anything the wrestlers need to work like the fall matters. Second fall wasn't really worked like the heels had any advantage, or faces were fighting back from disadvantage either.

Austin Aries v. Nigel McGuiness

TKG: I’m not exactly sure when Nigel was supposed to have turned heel. I remember it being written as though he turned heel after this match (or crowd turned on him after this match). Whatever, he was clearly working heel here and was awesome at it. Nigel is a guy who eats huge huge bumps. At this point in U.S. wrestling, you’ve become really accustomed to seeing guys who don’t know how to work heel do really self aggrandizing “I’m a tough guy toughing through stuff”. It’s almost jarring to see Nigel eat these giant bumps in this non-self aggrandizing way. Nigel gets beat and you want to see him beat. Nigel works really old fashioned heel in the sense of guy moving backwards while face is always moving forward. Aries is guy advancing while Nigel is always just catching him in stuff. It’s not chickenshit heel, it’s not a dominant heel but it’s very clearly heel. And it’s heel work done on a level above everyone else working heel these days. There are moments where it approached Eddy in Eddy v Rey 05 period level heel work. This is a blow away great match.


PAS: No arguing with Nigel anymore, in 2007 he had four of my top ten matches, with four different opponents. This match is sitting at the top spot. Aries is a hell of an athlete, and put in a match with good pace, can be spectacular. Here he was amazing, taking enormous bumps, moving with tremendous speed, and hitting with real impact. This was Nigel's match though, as he has become really good at working a big main event style match. One of the things Nigel does during his big matches, is little restarts. Here Aries hits him with a tope to the back driving his head into the guardrail, and Nigel spend the next couple of minutes backpedaling avoiding Aries offense, it is a set of very cool counters and nice slowing down on a show which is all moving forward. Finish run is pretty great too, as there are just the right number of two counts, and it never gets into ROH overkill territory even with the huge moves. Just great wrestling.


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