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Sunday, December 16, 2018

WWE TLC 12/16/18 Late Blog

Late to the show as we had a fun day seeing Emmet Otter's Jug Band Christmas at a local theater and getting pizza, getting me in a righteous Christmas mood. There are a few matches I'm into on this card (really all the women's matches have potential, even the Natalya one) and it should be fun overall. Afterward I'll watch Silent Night, Deadly Night 3.

 Cedric Alexander vs. Buddy Murphy

ER: This was a mostly fun cruiserweight opener that hits some fun flippy vibes, and it's amusing that we opened a 8 hour PPV with a big apron bump that gets blown off a minute later. It's silly, guys. But I liked Murphy a lot here, loved the great kneelift counter to Cedric's bottom rope cutter, thought he bumped really impressively for Cedric's offense (especially that big backwards bump into the barricade off Alexander's nice dropkick to the floor). I did think it went too long and thought going to the apron spot was unnecessary. Even though Murphy recovered what I thought was too quickly, I like that he immediately took the lumbar check but had his foot over the ropes. Rope escapes are an underutilized way to avoid big move kickouts, so I thought that worked to the match's favor. Overall it was good cruiser action, Murphy delivered on some of the hype I've seen from him this year, and Cedric is at least consistent.

Ladder Match: Elias vs. Bobby Lashley

ER: This didn't do a whole lot for me, felt like a poor ladder match that would get cut from a Coliseum Video. This was really dull and we also have a guitar hanging above the ring, and apparently the winner gets to use the ladder as a weapon. But then when Elias gets the guitar the bell just rings, so he won the match just by getting the guitar. So...why would it matter that he gets to use it as a weapon? This felt not only boring but rushed, there was a big bump but not a lot of interest. Majorly disappointing as Elias has been delivering as a character, but nothing about this match delivered.

Alicia Fox/Jinder Mahal vs. Carmella/R-Truth

ER: This was pretty sloppy, pretty messy, and it was worked as if it were main eventing an indy charity show. That charity show vibe worked to its advantage even if some of the execution was ugly.  We got some comedy breaks, Carmella and Truth doing a dance break when Jinder and Fox bumped to the floor, the Singh brothers getting involved and getting their culture mocked before getting tossed to the floor, Fox and Truth attempting to stumble their way through physical jokes about Fox's large hat, it all felt very crowd pleasing support the troops charity show. The work as I said was often messy, but since pristine execution wasn't really the vibe of the match it didn't affect things the same way as it would have if Murphy/Alexander had been even 1/4 as sloppy. I wouldn't expect a ton from Truth or Jinder (though I liked their early match sequence where Truth hit a crossbody for a pin and followed it up with two surprise nearfall inside cradles), but Fox has always been a favorite of mine and Carmella had been looking better so I was hoping for better showings from them. Still this was fine for what it was and kinda funny that this was what was chosen to open the actual card.

New Day vs. Usos vs. Sheamus/Cesaro

ER: Matches between these teams always have a decently high floor, but never seem quite as good as they should be, and they're almost always worked like nothing at all matters until we get to the boom boom boom finish sprint. You know those sprints, where several guys leap into superkicks as if their only plan was to get kicked in the face. Plus Woods/Kingston is easily the weakest version of New Day so we don't get any great power battles between Big E/Cesaro. But we still had some fun spots and the guys involved always work with an energy that the live crowds respond to, and that counts for a lot. I liked Sheamus hitting Woods with the brogue kick as he was bouncing in off the bottom rope (two cool reverses of that spot tonight) and Kofi's trust fall off the top onto everyone looked cool. But damn for all the times we've gotten this combination of guys going against each other, you'd think we would have more of their matches on our MOTY lists.

TLC Match: Baron Corbin vs. Braun Strowman

ER: It's a No DQ match so Gable, Angle, Crews and others just beat down Corbin so Corbin is removed from authority on Raw. But since I always fast forward through those kind of storylines I didn't actually have any horse in the game. I have no clue how Corbin has been as a leader, no clue what he had done to make him lame or whatever we were supposed to think, so I was way more interested in just seeing these two have an actual match. Corbin's best stuff has come in stips matches and the two could have done something cool. But I assume the crowd would have chosen this match over an actual match. And now I assume Vince will be back on Raw tomorrow specifically to say that Raw has sucked without him.

Tables Match: Natalya vs. Ruby Riott

ER: Nobody wants to see a Natalya featured story match, but I'm optimistic about this one as the Riott Squad has really shone when given the opportunity. And a couple minutes in we get the spot of the show so far when Riott is on the apron and Natalya runs to kick her off through a table set up on the floor, and Liv Morgan pushes her out of the way and takes a crazy backwards bump herself, right through the table. It looked great and snapped me into it. Natalya is a little clunky with some stuff, not really connecting when dropkicking a table into Sarah Logan, but the Squad is providing nice smoke and mirrors to this when Logan also goes through a table. There's some silly and kind of welcome melodramatics when Riott rubs Natalya's face onto a table they brought out with a picture of Natalya dead dad on it. Anvil coming out and interfering on behalf of his daughter is going to fuck people up BAD. Nice moment where Natalya gets Riott up in an electric chair but Riott manages to knock over the table should would have gone through, but Natalya drops her hard anyway. We get a wayyyy too long moment where Natalya pulls out a table with a full size Riott picture on it (but how is that a burn, is it some unwritten table code that going through a table with your picture on it somehow stings more? I'm not seeing how it's more humiliating). And once Natalya pulls out her dad's old ring jacket (Jesus how does that fit her so well? When was the slender Anvil period?) and does bad fake cry face you kind of know how the rest of the match was gonna go so I just wanted it over with. Natalya takes an eternity setting up the finishing spots but the powerbomb on Riott off the turnbuckles through the table looked good at least. I wish Natalya as the pushed winner of feuds wasn't a thing. This really could have been a big moment for Riott and a great heel moment for her to still win and leave Natalya crying. Natalya handling the entire Riott Squad all by herself is just wayyyy too much.

Drew McIntyre vs. Finn Balor

ER: McIntyre was so good on his post WWE indy run and I don't think he's been in anything that interested me since coming back. This one isn't going to be it. Balor is the pits and hits some absolutely comical offense in this one, it was embarrassing seeing Drew have to bump around for it. Balor's flying forearms couldn't crack an egg and his slingblade might be the worst version of any of the bad versions of that move. The best moments were McIntyre catching Balor with power spots, a big overhead belly to belly that launched him across the ring, a big back breaker, big air raid crash off the middle rope ("If he hits this it's over!" Graves says, which always guarantees we're getting a kickout). Ziggler interferes so the babyface can get a win which makes a lot of sense, but at least the big double foot stomp off the top looked really good. If Balor has to win, at least the move he won with looked better than the rest of his stuff. Last couple matches really felt like the wrong people won.

Chair Match: Rey Mysterio vs. Randy Orton

ER: Mysterio is decked out like a mini version of CMLL's Nitro (friend their live thinks he's doing an LA Park thing, and he does kinda have the gloves for it), and I'm down for this match. I weirdly liked Orton/Rey from Smackdown the most out of our WWE return Mysterio matches, they have good chemistry and haven't gotten stale even though they've worked matches dating back almost 15 years. Chairs are set all around ringside and there are a ton of them so it looks cool, looks like we could get some real mayhem. Neither guy skimps on shots in between chair moments, so it's cool when you don't see them just standing around, you get nice kicks, nice elbows, snug work in between the chair violence. We get a couple absolute banger chair spots, Rey slides belly first on a chair landing on Orton on the floor, and Rey crashes and burns on a Thesz press off the apron, crashing through a chair seat. Orton takes a headscissors that sends him into a chair in the corner, but rebounds with a nice snap powerslam to catch Rey. Graves starts talking about Randy Orton with a bunch of facts that make him sound like a sociopath date rapist, like "Orton is so good at luring people into a false sense of security" or "It's eerie how calm Orton remains while inflicting violence". So that needs to be workshopped a bit. Orton is always fun with Rey, knows how much of a bully to be with Rey's body, little actions like Rey climbing to the top and Orton just yanking his ankle with a snap of the wrist. The finish takes a little long to set up, with Orton lining up several opened chairs, but the finish itself was unique and cool: Orton tries to hit the RKO on the chairs, Rey stops it with a kick and hits a weird leg drag headscissors to send Orton face first into a chair, then hits a victory roll to a seated Orton. This was pretty easily the best match of the show so far,

Nia Jax vs. Ronda Rousey

ER: This was the match I was most excited about on paper, both have consistently delivered on the big stage this year. And I thought this was good but not as good as their best stuff. Ronda gets more confident literally every match at this point, but here I thought she maybe tried too much new stuff. Practically every weird bit of offense she pulls out winds up looking great, so I get the temptation to keep breaking out new stuff. This maybe felt a bit too much like new move exhibition in spots, even if her stuff is always cool. Nia is really big and wears it well, but I love how Ronda bounces off of her and how Nia tumbles. Ronda starts with peppered in strikes which is a way she's never really started a match, and you knew it was a matter of time before Nia caught her. When she eventually does with a big sit out powerbomb it's a cool moment, great looking bomb. Ronda has some cool reversals, a rana out of another powerbomb attempt, and I liked her fun super hang time superman punch. Nia breaks outs some stuff I love, her elbowdrop might be the best on the roster right now and is somehow weirdly the most Stan Hansen elbow on the roster; plus, she always hits and misses her legdrops with authority, and her miss was a good one. Ronda always has at least one nutty bump in a match it seems, and here there's an awesome moment where Nia smashes her arm into the ringpost (even though that didn't really seem to go anywhere). We get some awesome monkey bars spots as Ronda slips out of a cool vertical suplex into a standing rear naked and climbs all over Nia's body, and Ronda hits one of the finest crossbodies to the floor, Nia taking it with an awesome catch. The finish stretch was good though not quite as exciting as past big Ronda matches, not as dynamic of a build, but some great Ronda trash talking as she kisses Nia's fist before locking on the armbar. I really wouldn't mind if these two had more matches.

AJ Styles vs. Daniel Bryan

ER: These guys are both clearly great wrestlers, but I kinda want to see Bryan against someone else at this point. This is the 4th AJ/Bryan singles match we've gotten since Bryan came back, and they've all been fun but I'm a fan of new match ups. I was much more excited for the Mustafa Ali match this past week. I have no doubt this will be good, it's just a good thing that I've seen a lot. They've fought in WWE this year almost as much as they fought in 5 years together working the same indies. Match is kind of weird as it's slow and worked deliberately (which I dig) but the announcers keep talking about how "emotionally" each man is presenting himself. "Look at the emotion Styles is showing" as Styles is throwing a chop, "Bryan showing a lot of emotion here" as Bryan throws a kick to the liver. An announcer I don't know paints Bryan as questionable because "he never wants to have a fun time". I don't understand any of these motivations. But the boys are taking their time and it starts to pay off, Bryan working this slow mocking style with ramped up stiffness makes for some damn good Bryan. Bryan is practically acting like Naoya Ogawa as he runs into the corner to hit multiple hard dropkicks, Styles knocks Bryan silly with a lariat, Bryan hits the nastiest spot of the show when he grabs Styles in a cravate and hits a bunch of sharp knees to the side of the head before throwing him by the neck. Bryan is throwing his kicks harder than normal and working cool slapping body shots, like Bryan is just trying to work a 90s Japan shoot fight gimmick. They do a couple things down the stretch I don't like, the head kick countered with a head kick feels way too indy epic. But they do a bunch of cool stuff around Styles wrenching Bryan's ankle, hitting a fast and violent dragon screw, wrapping it around the ringpost, working a super visually effective half crab and the great calf crusher, all of that stuff was awesome. On the floor we get some cool gymnastics with Styles leaping the barricade into the timekeeper's station and blasts Bryan with a hard elbow when he comes rushing in. Finish even feels like a tribute to Bryan working PWG, getting the win with a small package battle. Needed him getting dizzy doing an airplane spin and dizzily dropkicking the turnbuckle. This was a really hard hitting match, paced in a cool deliberate style that gave it a cool fight feel. We've gotten three really good ones right in a row.

Dean Ambrose vs. Seth Rollins

ER: Oh no what's happening my WWE Network is skipping at 5x speed through this entire match oh no what is going on?

TLC Match: Asuka vs. Charlotte vs. Becky Lynch

ER: This was kind of a tale of two matches for me, sometimes switching back and forth between those two matches. It was a violent match, but also a match that took too long and looked too unnatural in endless spot set up. The former was great, the latter was tired. But it was worth sitting through the latter to get to the former. We got some great nastiness, Lynch splashed Charlotte through the announce table, except the table didn't really give so we actually got Lynch's body basically bouncing off Charlotte's ribs. And I flipped out when Charlotte hit a spear on Asuka that sent them crashing through the ringside barricade. That's a spot that was done with such conviction that it would have worked great no matter what happened to the wall. The way the wall buckled on impact looked really cool, and if it hadn't budged I think Charlotte would have compressed all her vertebrae with the speed she was charging. Charlotte also hit a big moonsault to the floor that kinda dropped Lynch and Asuka like she was doing a wild reverse DDT, and did a dumb-as-Jeff Hardy senton through Lynch on a table. Guh. While I didn't love all the work and thought the stipulation actually got in the way of them just beating ass, they worked the match like they honestly didn't like each other and that added a lot to the vibe. It needed that, and they knew it. The finish totally works and I'm happy to see Asuka back with the belt. She's taken the backseat to some super emerging women over the last year (since her big Rumble win a year ago you have Ronda debuting, Becky moving to the next level, Charlotte being a wildly resurgent heel, Bliss stepping into her heel role, Nia delivering in big matches) so I like moving her back to more spotlight with the title, while Charlotte and Lynch didn't get knocked down a peg at all. They can all continue to fight and it'll continue getting over, which is awesome. I thought this was a step below some of their other stuff together, but it was still a great way to cap a PPV.




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6 Comments:

Blogger Betzel said...

ER: Oh no what's happening my WWE Network is skipping at 5x speed through this entire match oh no what is going on?

Well played and correct call.

11:37 PM  
Blogger Davey C said...

Legitimately laughed out loud at the Rollins review.

11:51 PM  
Blogger Phil said...

Coward

11:54 PM  
Blogger Yerfuneral said...

For various reasons I didn't sit down and watch this in one sitting. Thought they did a decent job building for once but with so many matches they didn't do a good job of making me excited or caring. With some of the storylines they spent a lot of time on being boring and not caring for.
So how they going to fit in everything? Is everything going to get enough time with a good chunk of gimmick matches that normally need some time?

1) Cruiserweight title match

Well two preshow matches that will help fit in everything and like always we get good and solid action. They got solid guys in the 205 line up, just look at Bryan vs Ali match from Smackdown; but still not excited enough to check out a full weekly show.

2) Guitar match

Why not just have this on a pole would have saved ladder spots and less chances at injury. This was one angle they worked to much on the weekly show. Not liking face Elias and Rush is not helping Lashley though definitely better on the mic. Felt ripped off of Rush receiving a good meaty guitar shot ending things in a way to continue this feud. Like Elias but strangely enough have enjoyed tag team stuff more than his singles but still have high hopes in the future for an Intercontinental reign.

3) Mix match challenge final

I watched at first but the fun of the first season just wasn't there. The removal of the elimination tournament told me early this thing is going to run way to long. Could have been a good showcase for those otherwise buried but heard nothing that made me return. Sucks the injuries had so much effect.
The match itself was what I expected when learned from preshow who the finalists were. A comedy match of sorts that was neither funny or good wrestling.
Carmella has the best chance of the two to win with that final spot especially when a certain something happened in main event but we will see at Royal Rumble.

4) Smackdown tag title three way match

These three in whatever combo always pull off moments and make me excited being a tag fan but Smackdown roster beyond these three teams we have no one else so bit tiresome and starting to really feel like we seen the match before.They really messed up bringing up Sanity or maybe the Bludgeon Brothers injuries messed up things to much but that just shows the writers and agents aren't creative as they should be.

1:35 AM  
Blogger Yerfuneral said...

5) Corbin vs Stroman with so many stipulations and injuries I can't care

I am sure many things they try to set up with this story they spend to much time on the weekly shows with still didn't end. Authority figures they spend way to much time on still. It is 2018 can we get beyond this crutch of a rinse and repeat.
Where was Corbin's posse of friends? Guess to many of them had there own matches so couldn't stick up for him though because of his power was directly helping them.
Not going to try to think of this match anymore just makes my brain hurt.

6) Neidhart vs Riott in a tables match

The 50/50 booking and then having someone run through the Squad like what happened in this match is bad booking. Riott Squad should have been running through the woman's division and seeming like a threat for Rousey where maybe she needs to call up some friends from NXT in the future by now or at least being built that way.
Morgan I am finally getting and enjoying as the bratty little sister. They ruined a great opportunity to build up Logan in the Wrestlemania battle royal.
This had a bunch of moments and I enjoyed it but still don't understand the booking decisions because the Squad still feels like nothing to really take serious.

7) McIntyre vs Balor

Balor and Bailey have seemed perfect together they were the two most were pushing when I decided to give wrestling a try again and they both just come across as smiling buffoons to me. With the demon persona would expect some hidden killer edge just waiting to come out but we never get it.
I kind of remember McIntyre as a chosen one character another one of those storylines they rinse and repeat to much and didn't think much of it. When he came back to NXT he wowed me and been enjoying his tag work but they have eliminated it for the crutch of former friends rinse and repeat action.
If the IC belt was involved maybe would care but even though find both guys decent not looking forward to McIntyre vs Ziggler both could be doing more in other stories or helping rebuild the tag picture like they were.

8) Orton vs Mysterio in a Chairs Match

I had my worries about this with two older wrestlers and chairs. Expected lots of stalling but really didn't get that and lots of creative spots, at least to me, like Rey bodysurfing a chair to the outside to a prone Orton.
Like the tables match they creating a fun match which was something I didn't expect from either of these gimmick matches. It helps where neither of these matches felt like they were sacrificing the match at times to simply inflict damage.

2:08 AM  
Blogger Yerfuneral said...

9) RAW Women's Title Match

The start of this match came off to much like a choreographed match. Surprised it took this long for a Rousey match to come off like a dance. Though they come off kind of cool Rousey switching something into a submission move happens just to often and conveniently killing the fight feel a bit much for me. I guess I don't pay enough attention to the weekly show but Rousey giving to much attention to Tamina also threw me off but at least we know she is watching her own back well. So it kind of works.
Decent but not done in a way that makes me scream rematch and not looking forward to the obvious Rousey dealing with an authority figure with Bliss' new position. We already had a bit of it with Stephanie McMahon to soon to move back in to a similar story.

10) WWE Title Match

This had a bunch of cool stuff which was expected but didn't care for many submission teases. It is different then the multi kick outs and especially Bryans escapes were exciting at times but unnecessary to me and this point in thefeud would expect more of a blood hate but really didn't have that dynamic to me.

11) Intercontinental Title match

The announcers really distracted this match. The Graves and Young banter with Cole cutting in the occasional real commentary was distracting. I get people can't believe people don't know the evil of their family members but announcers playing off this because of the real life marriage of Ambrose and Young was not needed.
There was pretty much a lame build up of a boring hide and seek affair which was different then pointless tag or single matches but a story they also gave way to much time to on the weekly show.
The story in the actual match was not my cup of tea either with once again Rollins playing up his bad knee but he wasn't good enough to overcome it this time. Yawn.

12) Smackdown Women's title match

I was surprised by the ending but I love it. Between the last Smackdown and this match they finally given Asuka her mojo back. Rumor has it which I mentioned before Asuka had a good response when Lynch was picking her replacement and glad they paid attention if that is the case.
The actual match was a mix bagged. They each spent way to much time creating spots and making the need to punish the other women more important then the belt itself. It didn't make all that much sense with Asuka because they put her so much in the background, or rather making her look dumb with the Carmella stuff title picture be damned, with not even hinting at wanting to get back at Charlotte after Wrestlemania. Made a bit of sense wanting to get after Lynch the way the whole 'Man' persona has been presented.
The Rousey interference works with what has been presented just before Survivor Series and what is being built. It fits in a bit with what her cohorts are doing in NXT. That has been a stickler to me how to make that work with her being such a face here and the other women heeling it up in NXT. Opens up definitely Lynch or Flair going after Rousey too if they win the Rumble.

This ppv had more highs than lows and the best delivery continues to come from the women. Gimmick matches were mostly fun and wish I didn't have to take so many breaks watching the thing.

2:58 AM  

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