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Saturday, November 17, 2018

NXT TakeOver: WarGames 2 11/17/18

We went to the NXT Tapings/House Show in San Jose on Thursday, had a great time, and have dug every single TakeOver I've watched so far. Plenty of potential on this card.

Matt Riddle vs. Kassius Ohno

ER: Well this was not quite how I was expecting to start off TakeOver, but Ohno *did* sound pretty whiny on the pre-show, so he kinda had it coming. Mauro says the match lasted "about as long as a Hollywood marriage" which was probably a pretty hot reference when Drew Barrymore married some bartender 25 years ago.

Kairi Sane vs. Shayna Baszler

ER: Bummed I didn't get to see Shayna live on Thursday, but she was there with her Horse Girls. I'd never seen Duke or Shafir wrestle (and have no clue how much they have wrestled), but they were fun. I knew they would get involved here but wasn't expecting it so soon, and I do like the trope of a heel getting an immediate pinfall advantage in this kind of match. 2nd fall was fun with Baszler attacking immediately with a knee to the chin, and the knee looked good enough that I thought they would be running two incredibly short matches in a row. Baszler always looks good in control, although Sane isn't an interesting seller, just kinda flops and rolls around no matter what happens. But things ramp up when Baszler eats a crazy DDT on the ring apron, really planting that head in a great visual. I also liked the Horse Girls interference backfiring, especially Duke missing a kick and hitting the ringpost, and Sane doing her wild elbow off the top onto all of them. Things get pretty silly from there with the match basically serving as the background for Dakota Kai and Io Shirai running out and taking out the Horse Girls. Kai looked good, really booting Duke in the face, but Shirai does that super dumb thing where you run out to save your friend, and instead of attacking them when they're 4 feet away, takes all the time in the world to slowly climb to the top and hit a moonsault onto all of them. The visual looked good, but it's really dumb when you think about it for one second. The finish I don't think worked at all, with Sane hitting her elbow but Baszler immediately rolling her over for the crucifix pin. I don't get how the elbow can finish all her matches, but also be instantly ignored and reversed into a pin. Maybe it wasn't supposed to hit and it was supposed to look more like Baszler catching her? Whatever it was, it didn't work, and this whole thing underdelivered. I guess they're focusing on this as a trios match instead down the line, which is a match up that can be fun.

Johnny Gargano vs. Aleister Black

ER: They start with a bunch of cat and mouse that feels directly inspired by Low-Ki/Red or like they were jacking Anderson Silva highlights, but I thought it was cool, Gargano using head movement to dodge jabs, eventually getting caught when Black faked a jab to get Johnny to duck and then nailing him with a kick. Also liked Black doing his little yogi pose and Gargano running right in to kick him. The whole first several minutes are a bunch of fun bullshit, but a modern indy twist on stoogey bullshit, using a lot of constant movement without really gaining ground. But it's tougher to make that kind of swing dancing bullshit work when you're getting into the meat of the match, as you start taking big bumps that then get kind of immediately ignored for more ladies night square dance spots. Black eats a crazy DDT off a Gargano tope, and then back in the ring eats another DDT that leaves him suspended vertically on the mat for awhile, but seconds later they're back do-si-do'ing and springboarding into superkick trade-offs. A lot of it looks cool, but a lot of it also feels like total nonsense. Sometimes I find really fast spotfests exhilarating, but this feels like they need to be letting some of this breathe a bit. A lot of the stuff would still look great if it was slowed down a bit, and things do get better when Gargano stops Black with a couple of big flying knees. But there's just not a lot of space here. We go into a formula strike exchange that ends with Black teeing off on Gargano, but Gargano immediately shoves him to the floor, and Black immediately no sells a bump to the floor by kneeing Gargano out of the air on a tope. Again, a lot of the stuff they're doing looks cool, and almost all of it feels completely hollow. Even the finish seemed to come almost out of nowhere, as Gargano had been running around the whole damn match barely fazed by anything, but then goes out like a light. They went for go go go, and a lot of it just went went went in one ear and out the other. Also, I'm trying to write more 1980s Gene Shalit punchlines in my reviews now.

Velveteen Dream vs. Tommaso Ciampa

ER: Dream's 1998 Hollywood Hogan gear is fly as hell. He was Macho Man when we saw him Thursday, and did a ton of great Macho axe handles including a great one to the floor. I mean he's clearly a Savage acolyte anyway so it's a pretty lateral transition. And as I'm typing that I'm realizing that means we might see him doing a bunch of Hogan cosplay here and....and  man that sounds lame. But Dream is one of my absolute favorites this year. I think he's improved incredibly in the past two years and if he can make some Chikara horsehit work then he might be top 25 in the world. It's a big if though. And there is some Hogan cosplay, but mainly with a legdrop and boot, which is something you can work into your offense. He's not out there working a death days Charlie Haas gimmick or anything. And I like a lot of this but really loved the moment where Dream locks in a ringpost figure 4 on Ciampa's chronically bad knee. Not only because ringpost figure 4s fucking own, but we get a surprising tap from Ciampa while the ref isn't looking, and it's cool because maybe he did it to break the hold, maybe he did it because Dream beat him. Once Dream starts working the knee it gets really good, and I liked the figure 4 drama, liked the big dramatic spill on the floor...but fully expected and was fully annoyed by Ciampa limping around on one leg, but still doing every single bit of his offense that involves dropping Dream onto his own hurt knee. "Oooooooo my kneeeeeee!!! Whelp, time to powerbomb a guy onto my knee!" The finishing stretch was both hot, and kind of long winded. There were some awesome moments and awesome nearfalls. I loved how all of the DDTs were set up: Dream jumped off the top but stopped short and caught Ciampa's boot, got kicked to the floor and got planted with the DDT coming back in. Great set up for that DDT. On the floor both flew over the announce desk but Dream caught him with the rolling death valley driver and rolled him in to plant the elbow for a great nearfall. The Dream DDT on the belt looked great, we got Dream crashing and burning to the floor on a crazy missed elbow, tremendous bump, and the match finishing hanging DDT on the metal joining the two rings was an awesome use of a ring. That metal grating is never there otherwise, and it feels like a great Finlay idea to utilize that into a unique finish. But I think there was some unnecessary excess and wasted time, and I think we had some unrealistic kickouts instead of creating actual drama. I don't think this was far from being a really good match, and I thought Dream looked fantastic (getting a little bored with Ciampa's whole thing at this point), but I don't think this quite got there.

WarGames Match: Undisputed Era vs. War Raiders/Pete Dunne/Ricochet

ER: Man those shark cages are dorky as all hell. And Adam Cole was not at all the guy I wanted to see wrestling this entire match. But at least they're smart and put the heels up 2 to 1. It's insane how often that gets screwed up. Everybody screw over Roderick Strong on his entrance, doing all of their selling at the same time in the ring farthest from the cage door. So Strong runs in like a house on fire and has to run through a fucking Double Dare obstacle course to get to everybody standing around watching him like an idiot. And this whole match is just a reallllllll...slog. First off, you know a WarGames with no blood is just always going to be lame as hell. One of the first VHS wrestling tapes I rented from the video store was the big beautiful Great American Bash '87 clamshell, with two different WarGames: THE MATCH BEYOND matches. I was WWF only at this point in my life, and the wrestling I was so used to was so much more...grimy and violent than I was used to. I knew most of the wrestlers in those '87 matches, most had been in the era of WWF that was my first wrestling, but it felt so different than the wrestling I had been watching. This didn't feel grimy or violent. It felt like a series of uninterestingly laid out spots. It had some of the sloppiness of a big CZW cage match, but without any of the grime or violence. There are always going to be good moments from something like this, but my god I was so young when this match began. Mauro says "It must be a nightmare for all involved" and it's the only time he's made sense tonight. This match is a neverending nightmare of a match. If I was King of the References Mauro Ranallo I would say "This match is such an unending nightmare that I'm begging for Freddy Krueger to appear and rip me apart asshole to throat!" Ricochet had some big flying spots (including 7 guys managing to miss catching him on his huge backflip senton), and there was an awesome moment where Rowe alley-ooped Fish into a killer Hanson powerslam, but man did this whole thing draaaaag. I can't decide if the stupid 8 man dude Christmas tree powerbomb off the ropes was really really stupid or just really stupid, but I was laughing hard enough that it didn't really matter.

ER: This was easily the worst TakeOver that I've watched, with few positives. Velveteen Dream delivered huge, but a lot of the match structures felt like they failed huge. And really, Mauro turned in a show long atrocious performance. He stinks.


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4 Comments:

Blogger Yerfuneral said...

Having a head cold most of the week didn't catch up on NXT liked I hoped. Having a head cold didn't realize when I checked start times on my laptop that WWE Network through the webs tv schedule was in EST. I had noticed some NXT stuff playing so when I decided to login what I thought was early the event was well under way.
Feeling sick I didn't do this as the event was running and my memory may not be the best.

1) Riddle vs Ohno

I couldn't figure out how to start with preshow on my laptop so just started the show from beginning. When Riddle first showed up I thought he was sporting a yellow wet suit like he was an earlier version of The Sandman. Kept looking for a surfboard. I understood he was an MMA guy but dang. He need that big of a put over right from the start?

2) NXT Women's Title Match

Some how I missed at first this was a 2 out of 3 falls match. The early bum rush and pin was like a Riddle one shot to my own face. Based on the reports didn't watch I was thinking at first the Crown Jewel bookers and agents were given this show as a reward for dealing with that stuff. Once I realized the match was still going I instantly asked where is Io and Asuka since pictures of the three together were floating around from Evolution. Asuka even with how she has been handled of late sounded like me to get the biggest pop during the Lynch choosing her replacement bit. Though unlike Luger and Hart deciding on crowd reaction we know WWE doesn't care for the most part.
I changed my mind quickly about Asuka remembering Dakota Kai being the first person used to put Baszler over so no surprise they would run out later.
This solidified the night would feel more like a set up for stoy lines in the future which is okay but when Baszler goes back to defended her title not sure I want to see either of those three. Belair is undefeated still, as far as I know, but not sure they would work well together. Would like to see Cross get another chance but she is more there to make the woman's roster look better. Maybe Candace Larae if she isn't stuck with something with her husband since tonight's match has to leave him with some more mental scars.
Also after the Zack Sabre thing why do they do such moves on the ring apron? Was that one strike exchange look more like a paddy cake game than a fight?

3) Gargano vs Black

My big issue was for the most part it was so fast paced but for the longest time it seemed like no one's offense really had any effect. Both doing the Lucy pulling the football from Charlie Brown routine at points. Kind of surprised they let the guys do what they were doing after Lynch incident. Amazing to pull it off without anyone seeming to be hurt but in the end this just seemed like a moment to build more on Gargano cause becoming more sadistic and twisted didn't work for him either in winning a big time event match. Could be interesting where they take Gargano character next and seemed like a set up for Black vs Ciampa.

12:31 AM  
Blogger Yerfuneral said...

4) NXT Title match

Does Dream decide on ring attire and such himself or is this some rib making it seem like he is the only black guy in the company that supports Hulk Hogan?
Dream continued to look strong despite another big time loss but just proves the point you don't need 50/50 booking if you present a guy strong and he puts in the performance to boot. If they can't nothing wrong with a Hawkins or Rowley to be competent jobers like Iron Mike Sharpe, Steve Lombardi, and Barry Horowitz.
The Coyote can be just as much fun as the Roadrunner. Being the loser doesn't necessary mean you aren't the winner.

5) War Games

Why not a third team again this year especially when Dunne and Fish either injured or just coming back from injury. War Games though clearly planned out way to much you are risking injuring these two guys further. You really needed something that looked like an opposition to the War Raiders. All those cruiserweights running around those hosses seemed like easy pick for there team to win. 3 teams of three with maybe another team of Lars Sullivan, EC3, and Keith Lee. Lars with Heavy Machinery would look menacing but definitely the way War Games is built need a bit more agility.
Like the last one it builds to much towards hot spots and it was pretty clunky getting to them.
The whole locking of the cage with Dunne by Fish was a waste since didn't seem like they really did any more of an advantageous beat down of the other three before he got in there and clearly showed the lan didn't work when War Raiders are easily helping get the tables in to the cages.
I swear Mauro made reference earlier in the match that Fish was injured last year and then when Strong came in to the match corrected himself that Strong was with Author's of Pain. Not sure what Mauro's other assignment was but he was off tonight.

I get the call ups to main roster haven't gone the greatest of late but this show just seemed to build, not in a good way, towards people working further together or restarting something. That is a crutch they use to much on the main roster. NXT use to seem to change things up more in the past until they got a hot feud going. I am not so sure I agree with what they think are hot feuds.

1:06 AM  
Blogger EricR said...

Riddle is a former UFC guy and has been an extremely fast learner in pro wrestling. Pretty much the earliest indie matches we have footage of show him to already be pretty impressively informed. If you haven't seen much or any of his indie stuff, here are a couple good ones to start with, one from 2016 and one from 2018:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saKpC6uSgf4

https://www.bilibili.com/video/av29227483/

2:57 AM  
Blogger Davey C said...

The thing I learned most tonight is that Black must be a terrible striker. Riddle knocked out a guy like Ohno with one blow, whereas it took approx 10,000 kicks for Black to knock out Gargano

3:43 AM  

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