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Sunday, January 26, 2020

WWE Royal Rumble 2020 Actually Kind of Live Blog

ER: These PPVs start HOW early and go HOW long!? This thing had already started by the time I got back from freaking brunch and will end hours into darkness. But I think the card looks good on paper, and the Rumble has traditionally been a favorite gimmick of mine. Admittedly, I do not get as excited for the Rumbles as I used to. Even when I end up liking them (I remember really liking the 2018 Men's Rumble, for example), they have still felt very same-y the past decade. I'm not sure what it will take to freshen it up a bit, whether the answer is to move the concept forward or backward, but I'm here for it.


Sheamus vs. Chad Gable

ER: Damn this feels like a pretty big match for the pre-show. Maybe it's just because I'm very excited for the on-paper potential of this match. I've been a high voter on Sheamus and I think higher than average on Gable, and the pairing seems natural. This is Sheamus' first TV match in over 9 months, and it's a tough spot to be in for your comeback match: 75 minutes before the actual PPV starts, while people are filing into a large baseball stadium. And Sheamus *does* look rusty for the first couple minutes of this, mainly in the way he perfunctorily went through standing exchanges; Sheamus is a good wrestler, he's not someone who sleepwalks through missed clotheslines and rope running, but he was clearly a guy finding his steps, looking a little careful. They even start talking about ring rust on commentary (and after the match) which sounded like they were smartly covering by just admitting. But Sheamus knocks Gable hard to the floor in a fun violent way and the tone shifted to more stiff and confident from there. Sheamus worked like a more WWE-style Timothy Thatcher, bending Gable by the hand and wrist, kneeling on his head, pushing on his face while stretching a limb, even busting open one of Gable's ears. He also aims to cave in Gable's chest with 20 or so clubbing forearms, really getting that filing in crowd going the more the match went on. Gable fought back in cool ways, tons of foot stomps and hard elbows, and ever harder overhand chops. He threw a couple different overhand chops that landed loud and left Sheamus in an almost stunned laughter, and then he would go right back to nasty stomps to the feet. Gable hit a nice dropkick to take out Sheamus' knee, and Sheamus is a compelling limb seller who works in some nice knee moments. I really liked him catching Gable off the top rope and buckling his knee, leading to Gable spiking him with a nice DDT. The nearfalls were exciting, Gable broke out a cool Chaos Theory and it looked plausible that Gable could actually beat Sheamus in the latter's big return match. I thought this played honestly and was a real nice return match delivery. This was a real good "first match" from these two, plenty of cool ideas I wasn't expecting, and a nice reminder of what Sheamus can bring.


Humberto Carrillo vs. Andrade

ER: This had a lot of ideas I liked and what I thought was a great Andrade performance, but also thought it was one of those matches where Carrillo oversteps. Carrillo has a lot of fun ideas with sometimes iffy execution, and his best matches tend to be when his dance flourishes get reigned in. He was pretty free to try things here and Andrade is a generous base, and I do think we got a few too many dance sequences muddying up things (for a guy who likes dance-y missed kick reversal sequences, Carrillo isn't always great at them). But there was a ton of match that wasn't those kind of things, and Andrade put fun twists on a couple familiar Carrillo spots. I liked the fight over a crucifix pin, like the way Andrade can insert some struggle into moves that could come off too smooth. Andrade has great small stuff, which adds to matches like these: hard stiff leg kick to the stomach, heavy back elbows, sharp forearms to the jaw (he had one early that really snapped Carrillo's head back). There were also good believable nearfalls in this one (a nice theme for the show) and the pairing is really good when Andrade is running the show. The match ending springboard rana reversal was cool and there probably aren't many guys in the fed (maybe Cesaro?) who could have taken it better. This match also benefitted from Zelina Vega's fun ringside presence, a loud, active manager with always amusing reaction shots.


Falls Count Anywhere: Roman Reigns vs. Baron Corbin

ER: This was one of those matches where I started the match into it all, and got less interested every passing minute. Before the match, Corbin was carried out to the ring in his meh throne, and Roman jumped him during the entrance and threw around the guys carrying him. I was into it. Turns out, that would be my peak moment of interest. The match didn't really land for me. Sometimes it literally didn't land, as early on Corbin seemed to be leaning way out of strikes. The brawling through the crowd felt sluggish, the concept of brawling around an entire baseball stadium was hurt by keeping most of the camera shots too close. They may as well have been brawling around a civic auditorium for over half of the brawl. By the time we got to the interference from Ziggler, Roode, and The Usos, my interest was waning. By the time we get a porta potty spot I was more than ready to get to the next match. You go to the extremely stupid lengths to set up a fake row of porta pottys, you need to go the lengths of making the spot as stupid or as dangerous as possible. Either Corbin comes out of that thing covered head to toe in fake shit, or he needs to take a stupid bump through a row of toilets. They did neither. The match goes 22 minutes which was so much more time than it needed, and the few big moments (and Uso dive off a high stack of equipment, some impressive bumps through tables) didn't sustain the match. "These two have been through hell and back," Michael Cole says unconvincingly. Nope.


Women's Rumble Match

ER: Alexa and Bianca is an opening combo I can get behind. Stadium entrances make Rumbles infinitely cool, and when Bianca's music hit I said "Man I hope Bianca skips all the way down the long damn entrance," and she did, and it was great. Great Big PPV Gear from Bianca, killer black/gold combo with 10/10 gold glitter boots. Alexa's faces as Bianca danced were also great, so I am firmly on the side of this match. And a Molly Holly appearance is clearly only ever going to be a plus. Let's do a Backlund moment and keep Molly in there for the match. Lana is genuinely terrible on the mic, has no originality, stumbles over words, and isn't quick on her toes...but she clearly puts energy into it and seems to enjoy the role, and she plays a good dummy who isn't as smart as she thinks. And that kind of saves the act. Mercedes Martinez is a nice surprise. The Lana/Liv pull apart brawl felt better than it should have been. Mandy looked good in her first two minutes, getting into it with Nikki Cross and stopping her with a shoulderblock, nice running knee, and a slap that echoed hard in the stadium.

And goddamn I am into the comical Mandy fake elimination. She gets casually tossed by Alexa in what seemed like an incredibly underwhelming elimination, almost a punishment to Rose. She was thrown to the far side of ring from camera, meaning we didn't see her hit the floor. And when when the camera shifts to her side we see she landed perfectly onto Otis, who was weirdly laying flat on the floor for some reason. Otis plays it like a fetish, coming off like the world's largest Jimmy Valiant under a glass table. The fans reacted bigger than I expected to it, made a really odd spot come off great. The involvement of Otis on both Mandy and Sonya's elimination was amusing, but Otis had just started being fun yelling ringside encouragement to Mandy, and I wanted the bit to continue longer.

We hit a boring little stretch where Dana Brooke and Mia Yim and Tamina do that annoying modern Rumble trend of coming in and just running through your offense on several people, just a stupid string of ninjas attacking once at a time for trademark spots. Older Rumbles felt like they had more small moments where a guy enters and quietly finds a the most advantageous dude to go after. Tamina has the worst ring gear in WWE women's history, a terrible look, a terrible run of offense, just a clumsy bull in a Houston china shop. Her elimination is thankfully quick, with her taking a stumbling bump to the floor like someone falling for the first time. Once Tamina was gone, things picked up. I liked the Bianca/Alexa hair tug of war on the apron, and Naomi came back after 6 months away and had her greatest look ever, an immediate contender for greatest wrestling hair of the decade, obviously Naomi paying respects to Mr. Niebla in a totally iconic look. And she gets a gimmick moment we've seen before, getting knocked from the apron but leaping to the side of the barricade like spider-man. But whether Intentionally or not, she lands VERY low on the wall. Her feet were just a few inches off the floor, giving her almost no wiggle room. It looked several times like she might just give up and let them hit the floor. Her crawling up to the top felt like a genuine dramatic moment, and I don't care how stupid that sounds. Beth Phoenix apparently suffers a massive head wound at some point, as suddenly there is a huge spreading dark red spot on the back of her head, and it somehow isn't getting nearly the attention it deserves from commentary. Super excited to see Shotzi in the Rumble. We were wondering if it would happen as I know they like to debut fairly new workers like that, and when her name came up I popped. Santina stuff felt dumb and more than a little out of place but they didn't linger on it, which has been a strength of the match. Shayna's entrance run is great, but let me tell you: Not interested in how easily Charlotte dispatched Shayna. That's just dumb. Charlotte was in this match as long as anyone, and made absolutely no impression. Overall I thought this was a good Rumble match, veering into great at times. Finish disappointed me though, and I'm bored watching Charlotte point at the Mania sign. Belair's elimination was disappointing and didn't come off like a big enough deal, and Naomi's long journey back to the ring felt was undercut by her getting eliminated immediately once back. A Naomi Rumble return leading to a big Mania match would work, disappointing they went with such a bland choice.


Bayley vs. Lacey Evans

ER: Not a match-up that's super intriguing to me, and I think most of that is I have not been into heel Bayley one bit. And I don't think I'm alone, as the match played real cold to the crowd. The crowd still seemed to like the Roman match that I didn't, but this match was quiet. This was a better match than Reigns/Corbin, but it did not connect. Stuff looked good, but it needed Sasha making noise at ringside or some other element than them just going out and having a match. This was worked without history and wouldn't feel out of place on an episode of Main Event, and played like a match that would be considered a good match for Main Event. But it felt light and unimportant here.


Strap Match: Daniel Bryan vs. The Fiend

ER: This was slow paced, and the crowd was quiet, and I have very very little interest in the Fiend gimmick or the Funhouse stuff, and there are dozens of guys on the roster that I would so much rather see Bryan face on a big PPV. But I was into this. Bryan comes hard with punches to the head, but before long we get long sets of Fiend slowly whipping Bryan over the back and chest, and Bryan getting a bunch of ugly welts. I thought they made a very compelling match based almost entirely around whipping each other. Both guys knew how to throw nice strap shots, and Bryan added big bumps at key moments. Getting eaten alive by a lariat on the floor and running into the Sister Abigail nearfall are things Bryan does better than most. But they lost me maybe 3/4 of the way through, started overstaying its welcome, and then hit us with some lame character aspects of the Fiend. Bryan really got made to look like a chump, and the Fiend's revolutionary gimmick of just walking through shots and clowning people, has absolutely zero legs. Bryan tried to get people into it postmatch, tried to pull those strings, clearly doing as much as possible to put some sort of dignity to this ending. But man I'm pretty positive the Fiend sucks.


Asuka vs. Becky Lynch

ER: This one felt like a big deal going into the match, but Lynch has a way of turning feuds with potential into kind of boring matches. I don't know why she doesn't seem to connect, but her run of matches during her long feeling title reign have consistently underwhelmed. This didn't get the crowd response it could have and should have been better. But it was not bad, and I thought Asuka brought a lot of color to it. She had my favorite moment of the match, when she splatted with a nasty belly flop bump to the floor off a front suplex from the apron. She threw nice thrust kicks into Becky's face and threw herself enthusiastically into her offense. It had a good finish too, with Becky landing a kick to Asuka's stomach right as Asuka was going to mist her, making cartoonishly mist herself. It's a spot I can see working all through the territories and I liked it here.


Men's Rumble Match

ER: I'm into the idea of a full match Brock run. I don't care. People are tired of Brock, but he's a total freak and I'd love to see him wreck dudes for 45 minutes. And I think he has the selling ability to actually provide some dramatic openings along the run. Right out of the gate, doesn't feel like a necessary move to throw Rowan to the wolves so quickly. At least give his comeback some kind of chance of success, this felt undercutting. But it also kind of makes sense, because Brock *should* run through these dudes. Elias, Roode, yeah, Brock should crush them. Roode shouldn't be hitting a spinebuster on Brock, so hell yeah, toss these men! I am into this idea and into the execution so for. I'm already excited for who will be the first entrant to last until the next entrant, who will finally last long enough to have someone else distract Brock for a bit, and who might be the first guy who Brock actually *isn't* excited to see? This is a different way to book the Rumble, and I am into it. The answer comes quick, as Rey enters while Kofi is still in the ring, and the star power feels bigger and it feels like a bigger moment to see Brock manhandling these two. And when we build to Big E, Kofi, and Rey all swarming Brock, it's a full great sequence of early Brock vulnerability. Trouble in Paradise, Big Ending, 619, Spear, and Brock is just so great at taking finishers. And with a finger snap he tosses Rey, jumps off Big E to hit a superman lariat through Kofi, lariats E to the floor, and disposes of Kofi. Brock as the Royal Rumble Ken Jennings is great pro wrestling for me. The pairings are well thought out: The Shelton Benjamin stuff was amusing, Nakamura hit a cool sneaky spin kick before getting tossed (would have liked a longer pairing here, as that's a 15 year old match I'd actually love to see re-run), MVP is a decent enough nostalgia return and takes super huge bump off the F5 for a guy pushing 50, and Brock keeps making things better with his reactions to Keith Lee at 13.

Keith Lee vs. Brock is a great dream match, and Brock is so good at getting run over by Lee. Lee doesn't hold back, both guys crash into each other like an airshow disaster, and I lost it when Braun was 14. Those 3 are a 305 Live dream, and all the interactions came off like a sequel to Rampage. The only problem is I wish we got way more. Let the three of them throw out the next 6 guys and have them absolutely ruin a city's infrastructure in between. And I was really into the idea of Brock going to the final 4 at least, but how pro was McIntyre's elimination of him? Brock leaned cheek first into that claymore kick, and Brock's big bump to the floor while Heyman flips out was classic. But Drew isn't done many favors as they kind of just have him do exactly what Bock had spent half the match doing. It's a big spot for Drew, but it almost did him no favors to have him be dominant. Plus he gets the bum luck of a few dud entrances, Ziggler and Karl Anderson, people aren't gonna be into that. The Edge return is obviously a gigantic moment for many in the crowd, and while there are few returns that could have been less exciting to me personally, he's a guy the fans filling out a Texas stadium clearly want to see. Edge felt like a major deal, people were flipping out like they were on an Oprah's Favorite Things. But we've fallen into a rut of people I'm not interested in (Gallows, Orton, ugh these are the Raw matches I skim through) and they eliminate Riddle in a minute. That pissed me off. I do NOT have interest in Randy Orton & Edge dancing their age old dance, and this thing is screeching to a halt for me. Is it the show that's too damn long? Or the participants that got less interesting? By the time Seth Rollins hits the ring, the ring is nearly entirely filled with men I do not want to see in a long WrestleMania title match. The final 8 really dragged for me, though it got a little better with the final 4. Edge hitting a spear on Roman came off big, and Drew really killer Roman with the claymore. If this is the big McIntyre push, I'm curious what a Brock match looks like. I could see fans getting into Drew with some momentum behind him, so let's see where this goes.


ER: The show had strengths but a big weakness in just being too long. A lot of the wrestling was good while rarely rising to great. The very first match of the night was my favorite, and that wasn't a match that is going to wind up super high on a MOTY list at the end of 2020. I liked both Rumbles, preferring the women's one overall due to less drag and down moments, but the first half of the men's match showed it could have hit greatness. We had a lot of good individual performances (Bryan, Andrade, Asuka) in so-so matches, which kept the floor of the show high but the ceiling low.


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6 Comments:

Blogger Davey C said...

Jerry Lawler said "The worst is yet to come" as Tamina ran down the aisle, and I don't think a commentator has ever been as accurate

9:34 PM  
Blogger EricR said...

Ha! I didn't hear that. She has been around for over a decade! Someone would have to be actively trying to be this bad, at this point.

9:45 PM  
Blogger Yerfuneral said...

Royal Rumble the funnest ppv. When took break from wrestling would still find ways to watch the Rumble and Wrestlemania. I'm hyped even though know got to live through Reigns and Corbin again at some point. But the two Rumble matches and Asuka vs Lynch. I am all in.

1) Sheamus vs Gable

I remember Sheamus is the most pastie person alive. Always stands out because so many trying to live up to the Hogan tan but wow did I not realize he stepped in with Gable.
I thought this would be simply feeding Sheamus an Olympic level athlete to remind us how bad ass the Celtic Warrior can be but instead we got a good competitive match instead of a quick or overly long cat playing with a mouse match.
We got a solid preshow match which is par for the course with most ppv's. Welcome back Sheamus and good showing Shorty.

2) US Title Match

How do they give out bonuses when it comes to the ppv's these days. If guys get nothing for preshow it is a shame because Andrade continues to bring it like his tv matches.
With Carrillo I easily characterize this as more lucha and my pretty much unfamiliarity makes it all come across pretty solid.
Liked Zelina being more of a screaming spark plug here since she been more involved in the tv match ups of late.
Andrade was unsure of when I first met him in NXT but that turned out to be part of his character before Zelina entered the picture and continues to be a solid dependable performer. Would love to see him and Mcintyre at it again in the future. Injury and the nature of call ups in NXT made that feud to short for my liking.

3) Reigns vs Corbin in a Falls Count Anywhere

Are FCA matches ever any good? I saw Taz vs Big Vito in one back in the day at an ECW house show and that was a small building. An arena has to be harder to watch and take in. This is early in the card and going to play into the men's Rumble match later.
They probably through this in to make the Universal Title strap match later more palpable.

10:55 PM  
Blogger Yerfuneral said...

4) Women's Royal Rumble match

This was a tale of two halves. First half was about building people and reminding people of certain people. Second half was a build for someone to come in and seem like a monster.
The first half worked better for me than the second half even though the first half was a bit much new person comes and shows off while ring has been cleared with everyone fighting near the ropes. It's a rumble match you want to be away from the ropes as much as possible.
Alexa Bliss was presented in that first half why she is a multi-champion. She been dealing with concussion issues and stuff so she has been gone, working tag, or just being a talk show host. She was #1 and was given a good showing. Loved it!
Even better was her starting opponent #2 Bianca Belair. She got to show a lot of positive stuff during the initial big NXT part of main roster push that was a bit overshadowed with what they did with Ripley but they picked it up with what she got to do here. Displays of athleticism and other displays like the hair tug of war that have made her stand out since saw her in the Mae Young Classic. Her in the end being this years Iron Woman and possibly most eliminations too. It was awesome to see before we got in to, the boring, 2nd half.
After the initial 15 they seemed to build it to an obvious someone come in and be some woman's version of a monster. Nia Jax or Rhonda Rousey being the most logical but it turned out to be Baszler which I am fine with because it continues to build on Survivor Series and they need to bring up some of these NXT women.
The Rumble showed how stacked developmental is at the moment and some one shot cameos like Perazzo and Green in some main roster jobber action isn't enough to bring life to a pretty stale women's division that has had injury issues and a booking team that seems to only care when Rousey is around.
My biggest WTF moment was Sarah Logan is one of the participants announced but gets less offense in the match than a diva era performer?
Eric, I believe Phoenix injured herself with fall back from a blow from Belair when she was sitting up in the corner. She went back hard into those larger screened ring posts.
You need to watch more NXT if Shotzi your girl. She has been a thorn in Baszler's side and why they used her as the first real threat to eliminate Baszler. If Baszler moves up she could be dealing with Duke and Shafir.
Mercedes debuted too on NXT so wasn't so much a surprise though hasn't done much yet.
Overall fun rumble match like I wanted with only really the Lana/Morgan thing being a wrench!

10:58 PM  
Blogger Yerfuneral said...

5) Smackdown Women's Title

I really liked the preshow interview with Bayley after the debut of Evans corndog commercial but that was my only highlight of this match up for the night.
Both ladies have made the right changes for their character but neither is much of a performer. People give Alexa crap and Bayley praise when Alexa character work and the way matches are built cover the flaws and is all out awesome. To this day still questions people taste when I got back into wrestling everyone hyped Demon Balor and Bayley.
I have nothing to say about this match and with Charlotte having won the Rumble if they plan for her to go after the Smackdown belt something got to change as far as the top Smackdown Woman.
The current roster would like to see Ember Moon and that is about it. She is still injured, I think.
Sasha Banks, it has been awhile but I am still not ready for them to go at it again after their hot potato back and forth with belts when I first started watching wrestling again.
Alexa Bliss had a strong showing in the Rumble match but Charlotte vs Bliss at Wrestlemania doesn't grab me.
To short of a build for an NXT person but Flair vs Baszler would probably be the best they got if they go Smackdown route and put the belt on an NXT person.

6) Universal Title Strap Match

Was better than I thought it would be and they didn't bathe the arena in red light. All for character moments but they do enough with Wyatt. Makes more sense to explore that kind of stuff when something like that is warranted or a character isn't allowed enough time during the weekly shows. I get what The Fiend is. It is pretty straight forward.
Whoever wins the men's rumble going to have an interesting choice to make. I guess.

7) Raw Women's Title

I had slim hopes they were considering a Charlotte vs Asuka big time rematch at a Wrestlemania when Flair won the rumble match but as of now that isn't in the cards.
I get why WWE doesn't go the full intergender thing. It isn't my piece of cake either but will probably forever think they dropped the opportunity a year ago at Rumble when they could have had Charlotte win the rumble then and a dejected Lynch winning the men's with her eliminating Rollins and really playing up this whole 'The Man' thing.
I had taken a recent WWE survey and Lynch is the only women's performer mentioned in the whole thing. If they believe she is that over does she really need a belt. She is at her peak when she has something to chase now they killed off a chase by having her beat Asuka.
With Lynch and Bayley as champs and Charlotte as winner you got a situation of nothing big time to go as far as the women, imo. Asuka could turn around and really have the same story we had here with her wanting to get over Charlotte but, at least to me, it makes sense and what would have liked to see.
As far as the Rumble match itself. It was good. I liked it. Asuka and Lynch thought it was pretty 50/50 when was expecting a Rollins like thing with Asuka ruling everything with Lynch's arms so strung out before she secured a 'Dis Arm Her' for the win.
Asuka continues to be above average in character and wrestling. I get why they leave most of her promo work for online stuff where they can subtitle it all in but she makes things work.

3:06 AM  
Blogger Yerfuneral said...

8) Men's Rumble match

Like the Women's it was a tale of two halves. We also, it ends up, have Edge playing very much a mirror role of his wife but was way more over doing it.
First half was what I feared when Heyman announced Lesnar would be competitor #1. It kind of worked. Most of the guys the way Lesnar has been built should be like a hot knife through butter. You get a little bit of Kingston redemption to change the story for a little before we go back to the story we are being told.
Strowman at least came out near the end of Lesnar matching his elimination performance but Keith Lee was the moment. After he loses his NXT North American title he has to be coming up since when he has been in main roster they have done nothing but good things with him. Never seen Bob Sapp actually wrestle a match but in my mind Keith Lee is possibly the none roided Sapp.
The second half starts though when Mcintyre eliminates Lesnar goes on a little Lesnar like elimination run before we get storyline elements aplenty that slow the match way down. Fortunately we didn't a continuation of Corbin and Reigns but with Corbin being eliminated by the eventual winner that could mean Corbin still worked in with the main event story.
Edge came in and was super over but really he mirrored his wifes spot in the women's when all was said and done though it did interest me in an AJ Styles match if he is coming back for a Wrestlemania match too.
Mcintyre ends up winning which I think is great the recent face change but still thinks he needs a secondary title run like my previously mentioned would like another run with Andrade. I like a grizzled underated vet in the picture but this guy is not far removed from being a Corbin stooge and partner with Ziggler where they were busy with guys like the B-Team.
He does look formidable either way he goes whether it is Lesnar or The Fiend though his main roster return to this point doesn't leave me with much belief they would give him a run with the title but we will see.

No tag matches leave me a bit heartbroken though sounds like I need to check out NXT World Collide for a good one. I tried to watch the DIY match before the show but didn't see time markers and watched some old school ECW instead to get me in a wrestling mood.
I liked the show though minus Smackdown Women's and Falls Anywhere match being the only real all out clunkers to me.
Rumble winners decisions could be interesting in the coming weeks. We will see.

3:06 AM  

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